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Right had my tlr for a few months now and its only the second twin i have had as i'm more used to 4s anyway to be honest i love the handling and stuff but wow it bores me it's just so slow so did a search and can't find a single turbo tl??? is there a reason for this? yeah i know its not gonna be hugely powerful compared to an inline 4 turbo but still, i'm thinking 170bhp 8psi power commander sorting the fueling with a good session on the dyno
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There has been one or two done before but they just don't work great for the amount of time and money you will be putting in. The pulses of the twin plays havoc with the turbo. You could supercharge it like Sam did to his, or go for a big bore kit or even a big 1188 stroker engine
Yeah i know what you mean mate, seen a couple of sv 1000 turbos and same sort of engine ?, i'm not into cams and big bores i like boost lol, cost is not an issue as everything will be done by me and already have a nice ihi vf30 turbo that would be perfect.
As I recall, Sam's 1200 was pushing close to 200bhp. This being so I got to wonder why the urge to stick a blower on. Is it just a case of "Everest" syndrome?
if its so slow then you're either a pussy or wanker.

its never going to be the bike for you.

do us all a favour and sell it and buy something you like
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The Ring-in takes no prisoners again :laugh:laugh:devious

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if its so slow then you're either a pussy or wanker.

its never going to be the bike for you.

do us all a favour and sell it and buy something you like
Is your name short for ring piece mate? i do love the bike but like i said i just like power,,, i'm thinking in the long term forged pistons and some decent boost should bag me 230bhp which would be much better
if its so slow then you're either a pussy or wanker.

its never going to be the bike for you.

do us all a favour and sell it and buy something you like
Actually thats really rude of you mate what was the need for that? i have done a 7.29 on a drag bike so like power thats all
:eatcorn
So will you be the one that actually tries to build one ?
Ill sit back and wait for the build thread :laugh
:stupid

While he's probably never going to get called up for the diplomatic corps and maybe it could have been phrased better, Ring-in kinda has a point. If its all about power and quarter mile times a TL1000 is probably not the best place to start. At the shop where I get my work done (another shameless plug for Dave Wood) I regularly see people rolling out on gixers and ZX10s with 175bhp on tap and they aren't far off stock. A 'busa lump is reliably good for 500 horses without having to resort to wildly esoteric solutions. I like to see people build stuff "just cos they can" and I'm all for guys doing stuff because the don't KNOW it can't be done and succeeding as a result. It's just that in this particular instance there seem to be a bit of a conflict between what you've got and what you want.

Like I said, Everest - because its there.

Hell, if someone wants to build a TL-based funny bike then more power to their elbow. I'd probably pay to watch it race. I'd be fascinated to see it hold together long enough to make the quarter. Or fire a con rod through the pilots chin. Whichever comes first. Just seems a bit like an old fat bloke up against Ussain Bolt in a race.

Still, if 1260pete has got the time, money and inclination to try who are we to disagree?
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This comes up periodically. I've seen plenty of turbo Ducatis, there were even some kits. I saw two people start turbo TLs but I've been watching since '97 and never saw one completed. There was one half-done on ebay.

There's no reason it can't be done, but if you go for 230 hp you'll have lag with that big a turbo and you will need a big intercooler and where will you scoop that much air? Think about small variable-orifice turbos to give more usable power at lower rpm without much lag, and forget about the peak HP number. I'd be thinking 150-160HP and I'd figure it would take me 3 iterations to be happy with it. I'd want a decent intercooler and/or alcohol/water injection. The TLS frame doesn't allow much room for ductwork to the throttle bodies. There are several add-on boxes that let you map injection correction for the boost, but ideally you need to remap the ignition advance too. The TLR already has forged pistons; TLS are cast. J&E down the street in Huntington Beach will make whatever you want. You could keep stock valve sizes, but change to stainless. I'd figure a $8000 budget and plan on building it three times before I'd be happy. But that might be cheap because my next door neighbor is the best TIG welder I've ever found, though his eyesight is going. Someone like Sam or ring-in could probably get the first attempt to work decently, and do it cheaper, but I'd have to try different turbos etc. unless I just ripped off a design from someone who did a Ducati. You could reduce costs by forgetting the intercooler and using alcohol injection.

But be aware that it's a LOT of work, and only practical if you're a genuine artisan with a TIG and can do a lot yourself, and have a friend with a machine shop.

I'd love to watch and learn from it. But I wouldn't recommend that path to a good friend.

But take a lesson from N2wheeies, and buy something like a hayabusa to dragrace.
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There have been a lot of nitrous TLs though, and their owners seem to enjoy them. It's a LOT cheaper to build, and more to run.
There has been one or two done before but they just don't work great for the amount of time and money you will be putting in. The pulses of the twin plays havoc with the turbo. You could supercharge it like Sam did to his, or go for a big bore kit or even a big 1188 stroker engine
Hmmm. I actually read the opposite, a twin gives the turbo nice big hits to overcom the turbo's natural inertia and so will spool up quicker then the teeny weeny pulses of an i4. So now the rule is to build the exhaust manifold of an i4 so that 2 pulses hit the turbo at the same time by making sure the header lengths are correctly matched......

Turbo sounds like fun but have built supercharged bikes myself. Hiding the belts etc is a pain...... I think Sam holds the record at 200bhp. The 1200 was around 160bhp I think.
Sparkymarkys 1188 big bore was putting out over 180 if I remember right.
That's really healthy!
That's sort of the point here though. Big bore kit and a lot of work etc and a TL makes 180. Stock Gixer 1000 and some good petrol and you are about at the same point. If you are chasing 1/4mile times it doesn't seem sensible to start from a relatively low baseline. In a way it is a bit of a shame. Its like the old Compaq(DEC) Alpha ES40 server I used to have in my garage was the dog's doo-dahs in its day (circa 2000). These days my phone could probably outrun it. My phone has more memory than the Alpha did. Oddly enough the ES40 used to eat electricity like my TLR eats petrol.

I seem to be drawn to things that give me a gigantic carbon footprint. :laugh
LOL yes, I used ot have a DEC PDP-11 in my garage, so I know what you mean.
But 180 without nitrous is really impressive. Heck 160 without nitrous is really impressive.

I get your point. Especially since a mildly breathed-on GSXR can also end up lighter than a TL.

Still, a turbo TL could be cool, if someone else spent the time and money on a few rounds of development. It's just not a practical approach to a desired target.
We're TL owners. What's "practical"?

You know what? I think he should build it. I read the write-up of Sam's supercharged build and it impressed the hell out of me. It really struck a chord to see someone doing something and making a real achievement out of it.

Pete - go for it. The end result may not set any records but it could be something special regardless.
Well yeah, as far as I know NOBODY has ever actually completed one so if someone does that could be valuable and interesting. One big skill required is welding stainless. The size of the air plenum may need to be bigger than for Sam's supercharger. The exhaust will be complicated, and require bending as well as expert welding. First you need the exhausts to come together, and feed a turbo and wastegate, then plumb to the intercooler, then to the plenum, then TBs. Then you need the actual exhaust off the turbo and mufflers. So it's about 4 or 5 times as difficult as a normal exhaust.
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