Need: Help and or Advice, Please.

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floatn turd

Discussion Starter · Oct 11, 2013

Hi, I need to advice and tips to solve a problem.

The background: I bought a 02 TLR with 1,200mi on it last summer. (my 2nd TL) It had been stored for that long. But had rust in the tank which plugged the fuel filter. So I took it to the shop had them replace the filter and "Kreem" the tank.

Fast forward to a month ago. I noticed the "kreem" lining was coming off in the tank (dissolving)
At that time the bike started to "cut-out" again while riding, (flakes of that Kreem stuff was clogging up the filter. So I removed the tank and pump,blew the lines out with an air hose and took them back to the shop and made them fix the tank and replace the filter.

So, I put it all back together, and ran the bike, after about 10 min and (Intermittently, but frequent) at 35mph/5000rpm when I "blip" the throttle it 'cuts out' just like b4.

Question: the fuel pump is original the filter is new.

A) Do you think a hunk of crap from that Kreen is lodged somewhere in a line or fuel pump?? But why only after 10 min of riding and not every time i "blip" the throttle does it cut out if thats the case?

B) Is the cutting out a symptom of a TL fuel pump that is about to take a dump?? or maybe the 'mapping' has been messed up?

Im at a loss, if anyone has any ideas or tips, I would appreciate it.

Thank you,

FT

This is the bastard thats causing all the trouble

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snowblind

· #2 · Oct 11, 2013

Evening,

Putting a lining inside a tank seems like asking for trouble. If the stuff is flaking off it could be lodged anywhere in the system all the way through to the injectors. I'd suggest pulling the whole thing apart and cleaning it out. There's a recent thread on all sorts of clever ways to clean tanks. These normally just involve a bit of mild acid but in your case I'm thinking some pea gravel or ball bearings chucked in to grind off the remnants of the coating wouldn't go amiss.

Do the tank and flush some injector cleaner through and see how you get on. You may have to dismantle the fuel pump as well. Pull it out and inspect it to see if any junk is lodged in there when you do the tank.

Probably going to need a fresh pair of Marigolds.

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floatn turd

Discussion Starter · #3 · Oct 11, 2013

They did the acid business when I took it back to them last week, so the tank is all good. But I will check the injectors, that sounds like a good place to start.

Question? If a fuel pump is crapping out on a TL does it just die and thats that, or can it sputter the fuel like the problem I described? I guess, I'm asking if its an "all or nothing" type a gig?

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The Ring-In

· #4 · Oct 11, 2013

you need to test both the flow and the pressure at the injector rail.

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floatn turd

Discussion Starter · #5 · Oct 11, 2013

I agree and I will do that.

But what do you think about the question above? The one about the fuel pump.

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snowblind

· #6 · Oct 11, 2013

Usually a fuel pump will either work or fail outright. However, if you have lumps of crap impeding the impellers intermittently then you might see the symptoms you describe. As Ring-in says, check the flow. If its erratic then Bob's your auntie. You'll almost certainly have crud in the pump. That dead spot around 4-5K rpm is quite a common thing on TLs and it is symptomatic of a problem with the fuelling. I had it for a quite a while on mine until a clever man with a yosh box sorted it out. It re-appeared when I had a slight split in the fuel line and sure enough disappeared when I put a new hose on and the delivery evened out again.

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floatn turd

Discussion Starter · #7 · Oct 11, 2013

Cool, thanks for the info guys.

I will start with the injectors and dismantle the fuel pump and see what I can see.

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The Ring-In

· #8 · Oct 12, 2013

thats right I'll listen to all the advice and agree with it

then I;ll do what I was going to do in the first place

nice start buddy!

just pull it apart and F with it before you know whats really going on!

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floatn turd

Discussion Starter · #9 · Oct 12, 2013

The Ring-In said:
thats right I'll listen to all the advice and agree with it

then I;ll do what I was going to do in the first place

nice start buddy!

just pull it apart and F with it before you know whats really going on!

Well, lets take a quick look at the situation, Slick!!

I'm pretty sure its not the Flux Capacitor
nor the muffler bearings or ever low turn signal fluid.

And since my TL does not posses the power of speech to tell me what's wrong with it, as see now yours evidently does! I will have to diagnose the problem myself. But please feel free to book a flight down to my house and use your "bike whispering" powers and tell me where to start.

This one is my favorite:
"just pull it apart and F with it before you know whats really going on!"

I did sit down and ask my bike 'what was wrong', but strangely enough it didn't answer me. So I guess I will start doing what I said I was going to do, in order to find and fix the problem, that is until it does speak to me, unless you know a better plan of attack. Besides this wealth of knowledge you contributed to the thread:
"you need to test both the flow and the pressure at the injector rail."

If you have any other truly golden "gems" of information, PLEASE feel free to post them up.

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The Ring-In

· #10 · Oct 13, 2013

But please feel free to book a flight down to my house and use your "bike whispering" powers and tell me where to start.

I doubt you'd listen even if I was stood in front of you.

you asked for advice.

you got it.

if you didnt need it then you should have kept your mouth shut

I do know what I am doing.............

you think you do..........

so if you think pulling the pump out and doing something to it. then go ahead.

but you're not going to know what the problem is unless you follow some path of diagnosis

and the path is to start with flow and pressure tests.

If both of these are within range then the pump and tank are fine and the problem lies elsewhere

if it has no pressure and no flow then its the pump

if it has pressure and no flow then its the filter.

starting to get the idea?.........

if its got flow and pressure but no spray then its the injectors.

test they are triggered with a meter

triggered then they are blocked

no trigger then its the wiring or ecu

quite simple really

you just have to pay attention.

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floatn turd

Discussion Starter · #11 · Oct 13, 2013

I doubt you'd listen even if I was stood in front of you. = you are 100% correct! I would not listen to you. I think you're kind of a Fool.

you asked for advice.

you got it. = Correct again! I did, I said: "thank you" and went on my way.

if you didnt need it then you should have kept your mouth shut = Where in all your infinite wisdom did you come up with the idea that I did not actually need the help?? Which bodily orifice did you pull that out of?

I do know what I am doing............. = Good for you man!! Let me send a complementary set of "Ginsue Knives out to you ASAP.

you think you do.......... = Going to go out on a limb here and say NO! Hence the starting of this thread in the "HELP SECTION" and asking for advice.

so if you think pulling the pump out and doing something to it. then go ahead.

but you're not going to know what the problem is unless you follow some path of diagnosis

and the path is to start with flow and pressure tests. = Remember when I said this? "Cool, thanks for the info guys.

I will start with the injectors and dismantle the fuel pump and see what I can see"
Now, notice the order in which I was going to start! I think it says 'INJECTORS', before the word 'Fuel pump'. Usually people put things in a chronological order when constructing a sentence, right?

If both of these are within range then the pump and tank are fine and the problem lies elsewhere

if it has no pressure and no flow then its the pump

if it has pressure and no flow then its the filter. = Kinda doubt its the filter seeing how Its brand spank'n New. That little fact was in my original post, may you just weren't "paying attention" (sound familiar?)

starting to get the idea?.........

if its got flow and pressure but no spray then its the injectors.

test they are triggered with a meter

triggered then they are blocked

no trigger then its the wiring or ecu

quite simple really

you just have to pay attention. = It appears to me that I DID "pay attention"to what you said and where to start. So, I don't know what kind of personal problems you are having in your life right now, as to warrant your post that started all this. But I would be happy to pass along some "Help Line" phone numbers if you need them. Maybe you just need someone to talk to or maybe its just "that time of the month" for you. I don't know, but PLEASE, get the help you so desperately need brother!

After all, us TL people have got to stick together.

Have a good one

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The Ring-In

· #12 · Oct 13, 2013

turd by name

turd by nature

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Felipe

· #13 · Nov 7, 2013

floatn turd said:
Well, lets take a quick look at the situation, Slick!!

I'm pretty sure its not the Flux Capacitor
nor the muffler bearings or ever low turn signal fluid.

And since my TL does not posses the power of speech to tell me what's wrong with it, as see now yours evidently does! I will have to diagnose the problem myself. But please feel free to book a flight down to my house and use your "bike whispering" powers and tell me where to start.

This one is my favorite:
"just pull it apart and F with it before you know whats really going on!"

I did sit down and ask my bike 'what was wrong', but strangely enough it didn't answer me. So I guess I will start doing what I said I was going to do, in order to find and fix the problem, that is until it does speak to me, unless you know a better plan of attack. Besides this wealth of knowledge you contributed to the thread:
"you need to test both the flow and the pressure at the injector rail."

If you have any other truly golden "gems" of information, PLEASE feel free to post them up.

You mean your TL doesn't heal itself. Oh yeah man, you gotta start hangin with the cool kids man. Only the cool peeps are privey to the best info. Also Man U gotta listen to your bike with your mind, not your ears. Just focus man and she will start whispering in your ear u just gotta learn to hear her. Gees man where u been? Do I gotta tell you everything? Oh yeah btw, if you had little chips in the tank, their not going to make it past the fuel filter. Your wasting your time looking any farther than that. I would recommend checking the plugs and perhaps check for a vacuume leak. A fuel supply issue it going to get progressively worse the deeper u are in the power band. If their is a supply problem at 4000 revs it's gonna be far worse at 6000. My Yamaha worrier was displaying similar characteristics to what you have described. I could power thru it but if I gassed it she was guaranteed to stall but only in the 2000-3000 rpm range. Put a new ngk in it and it was different machine. It was ballz to the wall after that. It's an easy thing to rule out. Hope that helps.

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