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just fetched me back wheel off for yet anther rear tire. :banghead :devious mmmmm racetecs:laugh but i noticed this ,and the last time i had the wheel off was that the gap between the wheel and swinger is about 5mm. maybe it's because i now have a tlr swingarm on:O i know they're supposed to have a small amount of play until you tighten the wheel up. but thought this a bit too much play.:O think i'm gonna put a washer in to take out some or most of the play........ your thoughts