Jimmy,I have a 2001 TL1000R that will no longer turn over plugs in or out. After putting it back in the frame after some top end work it will not turn over it used to while out of the frame but after putting back in it doesn't turn over ...
as far as im aware nothings hung up since i only did a top end but i can try looking in the service manual. any suggestions of where to lookJimmy,
Since you had the engine out and disassembled, there are just too many variables at play for us to guess what might be keeping it from spinning freely.
You will just need to trace your steps back (with the service manual) to find what is causing the problem.
Since the 'no turn' problem only came to light after you put the engine in the frame, maybe there is something loose in the sump that is now wedged somewhere. .....
Let us know what you find please, or if you get stuck along the way.
Jimmy, I'm not trying to be facetious, but you are aware that something is "hung up," because you posted that the engine can't be turned over.as far as im aware nothings hung up since i only did a top end ....
Begin with going through Section 3 in the manual. If you are going to be working on a TL engine, you need to become familiar with how they tick. Pay particular attention to the top ends and how the cam lobes are positioned and timed during the 'cam installation' section.... i can try looking in the service manual. any suggestions of where to look
the engine will turn over i think 2 revolutions before it just stops any suggestionsJimmy, I'm not trying to be facetious, but you are aware that something is "hung up," because you posted that the engine can't be turned over.
The problem may not be due to anything you did, but it is "hung up" on something, nonetheless.
You mentioned in one of your other threads/posts that the previous owner had the engine open for two months or so. Can you be sure nothing fell into the engine cases during that time?
Begin with going through Section 3 in the manual. If you are going to be working on a TL engine, you need to become familiar with how they tick. Pay particular attention to the top ends and how the cam lobes are positioned and timed during the 'cam installation' section.
Also, if the clutch basket was removed at any time (by either party), verify that the oil pump gear was not broken when the clutch basket was reinstalled. It is a common mistake.
Jimmy,the engine will turn over i think 2 revolutions before it just stops any suggestions
I'm not saying ik everything I'm very new to the bike but I just learned that it turns over ish then hits somthing and stops by hand not with the starter this is why I'm confused and trying to get help. My battery should be good its lithium and 5 amp. I'm working with the top end issue now thx to some ppl pointing it out and other forum post here. I'm thankful for the help ppl are giving. I'm just relaying the info I find out after looking at the thing I've been told to look atJimmy,
I'm going to be the police. Six is too nice. I'm not.
You are posting all over.
When you say "not turning over". Then saying it turns over, you think, 2 revolutions...
I, Six, and the long term guard read the following...
Not turning over: turn key to on position, everything lights up as normal, assume start conditions are met (in neutral or clutch pulled in, etc.)... You press the starter and nothing happens... Nothing. Read that again. That is "not turning over". If the starter even tries to nudge... It's "turning over" but not starting.
I'm not trying to be an asshole, but please describe your condition as best as possible.
Post a video.
Does it violently turn twice?
I have a lithium fully charged battery and could crank two bikes.
My guess. Crap battery. And a whole lot more. It should crank for 30 seconds with two pulled plugs and then it would generate codes.
Sorry to be blunt. But let's get to the bottom of this and admit what you don't know.
Sounds like the battery. As great as lithium batteries are, you have to ensure it has enough cranking amps for V-twins...most don't. Try connecting jumper cables and jump starting the bike or if you have another "good" battery around...swap it out. Path of least resistance first.it turns over ish then hits somthing and stops by hand not with the starter this is why I'm confused and trying to get help. My battery should be good its lithium and 5 amp.
My lithium batter is toasted. But even at 40 amps the starter motor barely turns itself so I have a new one on the way. Any recommendations for batteries?Sounds like the battery. As great as lithium batteries are, you have to ensure it has enough cranking amps for V-twins...most don't. Try connecting jumper cables and jump starting the bike or if you have another "good" battery around...swap it out. Path of least resistance first.
Its timed as the bike will turn over by hand now but not by the starterGoing back to the beginning of your thread...you should probably confirm your timing. Did you set your timing prior to the top end work?
I can try that next as im out of ideas of what's wrong. Thx again for the helpThat's good. Do you have a car and some jumper cables? I would try jumpstarting the bike next.
the engine will turn over i think 2 revolutions before it just stops any suggestions
Now......... I just learned that it turns over ish then hits somthing and stops by hand not with the starter ....
Jimmy, please tell us what changed.Its timed as the bike will turn over by hand now but not by the starter
I got it un stuck it was on tooth off of time causing the valve to hit now they don't . Now I'm fighting electrical issuesPreviously.....
Now.....
Jimmy, please tell us what changed.
Six days ago, the engine would not turn over by hand, but now it does. Why is that?
their was non. thankfully so just need to figure out why the starter wont turn the engine over. It doesnt seem to be getting nay power what so everOh dang. Was there any damage to the piston or to the valve?
Study the diagrams on pages 7-10 & 7-11 in the service manual....... just need to figure out why the starter wont turn the engine over. It doesnt seem to be getting nay power what so ever
The relay clicks with the side stand up neutral light no longer comes on but the fuel pump primes and everything but I just get a click. I'll look threw everything again but to the best of the manual everything is plugged in where its to be only thing I've noticed is a "F1" code on the gages. Thx for all the help againStudy the diagrams on pages 7-10 & 7-11 in the service manual.
There are a number of features that can prevent the starter relay from activating.
- main fuse (30A),
- side stand switch,
- side stand relay
- clutch switch,
- Ignition switch,
- ignition fuse (10A),
- starter button,
- engine Stop switch,
Since you had the engine out of the frame, are the positive battery cable and the starter motor cable connected to the proper terminals on the starter relay. If they are reversed, it will not work.
Do what you can to verify that each of these is functional, and let us know what you find.
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Or.... tell us what is active and what is not.
- Do the instrument lights illuminate?
- Does the neutral light illuminate?
- Does the starter relay click?
- Does the horn beep?
- Does the fuel pump prime for 3 seconds after key on? (FPR should click after key on, and then click again after 3 seconds.)
Do you have a multi-meter (aka DMM)?
Please tell us what the error code is. It will point you in the right direction..... only thing I've noticed is a "F1" code on the gages. ....
