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    Quote Originally Posted by snowblind View Post
    ... The problems really seem to come if there are any air leaks in a system filled with DexCool
    Exactly what I told the new owner. Something within system caused it to get like that. Which could be almost anything. Hence one of the reasons it's torn apart. No sense cleaning it if it will just happen again, right? Time and money down the toilet. Two primary culprits at the moment are the blown Mechanical Seal (coolant leak) and Radiator Cap. This of course assumes no holes are present in the Radiator.

    According to the article you provided... "A faulty radiator cap" can cause oxidation. Would you say this radiator cap looks faulty

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowblind View Post
    I'd try the detergent flush using dishwasher cleaner as the detergent and toss in a can of methylated spirit ( or plain methanol if you can get it).
    Okay, I got some dishwasher detergent and mineral spirits (only spirits I could find). Girlfriend would chew my ass if she knew I purchased something for this bike (especially after blowing nearly 3 grand on mine) but you got me curious now Snowy. Let's give it a shot.

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    NOTE: The reason everyone hates DexKill so much is due to its high probability of failure and destruction. Sure it's okay when everything is fine, but how often is everything fine? On a TL?
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    Careful with the mineral spirits. IIRC those are petroleum distillates which isn't the same thing as methanol. Here is the UK meths is usually dyed purple ( and they chuck pyridine into it to make it undrinkable - supposedly).

    The radiator is probably beyond redemption but $100 for a new chinese one isn't going to bankrupt the owner. If you set up a flush through the send and return hoses you should be able to get most of the crud out of the motor.
    Apparently Prestone do a handy flush kit which is aimed at Dexcool users. Wonder how that came about?
    Like my TL I'm old, overweight and badly maintained but I can still surprise you by how fast I can move.

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    Yeah, the mineral spirit was a bust. First thing it did was prevent the detergent from bonding with the water. Glad I used the thermostat as the test subject and not a hose.

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    I did submerge the radiator in scalding hot detergent for 12 hours. At first I was concerned about rust, but then figured the thing is toast anyway, so why not, right. Afterwards I plugged two of the outlets (top and bottom) and hit it with the hose for about two minutes. Nothing came out except a weak stream of clean water. Looked inside... crud still stuck in the fin passages. Compared some before and after images... shit didn't move an inch!

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    At this point I've gone as far as I care to with it. I'll get with the owner tomorrow about a new radiator, because this one just isn't gonna cut it. First time this thing sits in traffic it will overheat. Guaranteed. Damn shame too, because I managed to ghetto engineer a tool to straighten it back to its original form 😞
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    This, ladies and gentlemen, is why you don't use chain wax to lube your chains. Squirting a bit of WD-40 directly onto the O'rings every few hundred miles is all you need.

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    This crap is hard as a rock. Literally having to use a hammer and chisel to break it apart.
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    I wouldn't use wd40 to lube my chain, it'll last until you get to end of your drive, plus I don't think you should put it onto rubber O rings, don't they absorb the wd40 and swell up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlsgazza View Post
    ... I don't think you should put it onto rubber O rings, don't they absorb the WD-40 and swell up.
    No, the infamous "WD-40 causes swelling O'rings myth" has been busted time and time again over the years. But like all good myths it continues to survive. WD-40 won't hurt the O'rings (or rubber in general) one bit. In fact, I typically fill a ziplock bag with a couple cans worth of WD-40 and let all my hoses soak for 24 hours as part of my restoration process. The 20+ year old hoses on my TLR (soaked approximately three months ago) still look and feel brand new. Plus, they haven't caught on fire yet (another popular myth) [IMG class=inlineimg]/forums/images/smilies/bigthumb.gif[/IMG]

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    That being said, WD-40 may not be the best product for lubricating a sealed chain (performance wise) due to its short effective lifespan, which you mentioned earlier. Although... it is "technically" recommended that we lube down our hot chains after each ride anyway (like that's ever gonna happen) hahaha....

    But yeah, I'm certainly not one of those 'give my chain WD-40 or give my chain death' types, so please don't think that. I actually have a couple cans of DuPont Teflon spray and a three year old unused can of Bel-Ray chain Wax crap laying around the garage somewhere. I just use the WD-40 because I'm cleaning the chain with it anyway and I'm a lazy fooker. For the record though, my three year old chain looks and functions like new <img src="https://www.tlzone.net/forums/images/smilies/naughty.gif" border="0" alt="" title="devious" class="inlineimg" />


    In short, WD-40 or any other kind of lubricating chain **spray** is perfectly fine, but that chain wax crap... it's all kinds of bad ju ju. It's on the list with DexCool. Not just because it splatters everywhere and sticks to everything, or because it gunks up the drive sprocket and push-rod, but also because it attracts and retains every ounce of road debris it comes across. People think WD-40 is bad for O'rings.... I guarantee all the dirt and crap trapped in chain wax is worse &#x1f642;
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    Got me thinking too. I'm guessing that the O rings are no longer rubber the same as tyres are no longer rubber so are not likely to absorb stuff like old rubber pieces used to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlsgazza View Post
    ...tyres are no longer rubber ...
    Hold up... You mean like, tires are no longer the same type of weak rubber they once were (now they're dual compound)? Or that tires are no longer JUST rubber, now that they contain other bonding materials and whatnot for added strength and durability? I gotta go Google this sh-- now.

    After not knowing about removable spark plug caps I've become paranoid about what else I don't know.


    **Update** Nevermind. 15 minutes reading about the complex composition of modern tire design is more than enough for me to appreciate my ignorance on the subject.
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    not a fan of wax myself, I do use WD40 to clean my chain and the surrounding crap but usually finish with some proper chain lube - I have no preference - any old chain lube will do.
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    Although my Scott-Oiler seems to have given up the ghost itself I do still use the oil on the chain.
    Like my TL I'm old, overweight and badly maintained but I can still surprise you by how fast I can move.

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