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06-24-2009, 04:40 AM
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Baby Twin
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HELP Please
Hi guys! finally got a TL after years of lusting.....now I'm ready to sell it
Problem 1- Neutral Light flicker, originally thought it might be GPS (more on this later)
Problem 2- Bike would stall sometimes when put on sidestand.....Sidestand switch
Problem 3- battery run down until bike would no longer start
So I removed the battery, charged it.....
From bike I removed the 2 accessory outlets the previous owner had installed for heated vests etc. and disconnected the manual cooling fan switch (temporarily) to make sure there was no parasitic load on the battery
Figured while I was in there I would perform the charging system mod that zippytlsr was kind enough to post up here.
I also bypassed the sidestand switch (that way my buddies won't put it down when I'm about to pull away from a light)
So I re-installed my freshly charged and load tested battery......ignition on, neutral light bright and not flickering, fuel pump priming.......hit the starter....nothing.....fuel pump priming and priming and priming
Result- fuel everywhere.......bike no crank.....WTF...any ideas before I start taking the bike apart
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06-24-2009, 05:29 AM
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The Suck, Squeeze, Bang, Blow Moderator
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Fuel Everywhere ? Thats a totally different problem which need further investigation.
The main things to eliminate when having electrical problems on the TL are the battery which you've done, the solenoid 4 pin connector and the two main loom connector blocks near the forks which corrode.
Then replace the spark plugs, TL's eat a pair every year and more frequent if it's a troubled starter due to any of the above problems.
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06-24-2009, 05:44 AM
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Baby Twin
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eye4nik8
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That's the confusing part.....fuel issue only arose after charging mod etc........everything was fine before
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06-24-2009, 05:46 AM
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Cleanup the connections Sam noted and make sure they are corrosion free and all connectors are tight. The fuel everywhere is most likely a fuel pump gasket leak (best guess with limited information) which isn't uncommon on the TL. Look at the bottom of the tank and see if it's coming from there.
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06-24-2009, 05:49 AM
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go back and check the wires around the starter relay and fuse and connectors.
be thorough , take your time , make sure each one is what it is supposed to be and goes where it is supposed to.
check the clutch lockout switch and make sure the sidestand switch removal is done correctly
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06-24-2009, 05:50 AM
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The fuel everywhere is most likely a fuel pump gasket leak
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i doubt it .....the pump is running continuously .
likely there is a pressure leak between the tank and the throttle bodies.
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.....133bhp
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06-24-2009, 05:52 AM
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 , missed that pump running continuously part. 
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06-24-2009, 06:03 AM
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The Suck, Squeeze, Bang, Blow Moderator
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Sam
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Has the fuel return hose come off the tank when you lifted it (assuming you did ?)
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06-24-2009, 06:32 AM
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Baby Twin
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eye4nik8
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Would having the return line come off cause the pump to run continuously?? is there a pressure switch that shuts it down??
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06-24-2009, 07:00 AM
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Baby Twin
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I wonder if problems 1 & 2 are related. Possibly the neutral switch is your problem (or, to be more precise, the wiring to it).
If that connection plays up, with the bike in neutral, the light may flicker on and off.
From the bike's perspective, it's not 'in neutral and flickering' as you see it; it's "in gear, out of gear, in gear, out of gear.... etc etc.".
If you put your sidestand down in gear, what happens? It cuts out 
I reckon when the switch goes open circuit for more than a fraction of a second, the bike's thinking it's in gear when the side stand is down and thus cuts out.
Not saying this is what's happening, but I've certainly come across this exact same fault before.
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